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I have some questions

July 9th 2008 23:50

: I have some questions

I was reminded last night by an Ad on TV that there are three main contibutors to carbon emissions in the world, one of them being Methane produced by the Dairy Cattle we eat for food. This particular Ad was appealing to peeople to become Vegetarians, something the UN also touched on in a report last year CLICK HERE TO READ MY POST ON IT.

I am not sure I could EVER go totally Veg, but let's say for arguments sake I relented, and decided for the good of the planet I would give up my beloved meat. This lead to a series of questions...

What would happen if we all decided to go Veg?
Would I solve one problem by creating another?
Is there enough fish in the world for all of us to eat more Fish?
What would happen to all the cows?
Could they grow enough Vegetables/ Legumes etc for all of us to eat a balanced diet without meat?
Can you grow crops where Beef cattle roam?
Do we have to stop drinking milk too?
Can I still eat Chicken?
Have the Prime Minister, Penny Wong and all their Global counterparts stopped eating meat?
Does Pork count?
Does Lamb count?
Would McDonalds make a Vegetarian version of the Big Mac for us?

I don't know the answers to these questions, I will endeavour to find them, maybe some Orblers can help.

cheers

Louie

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Comment by tlcorbin

July 10th 2008 03:12

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Tofu burgers do not rule!

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 04:47

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ya Raven, I hear you, and accorting to katyzzz Tofu i sbad for your memory too,,,,what will we EAT????

Comment by tlcorbin

July 10th 2008 05:07

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Peanut butter and banana hoagies aren't bad . .

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 05:44

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hmmm, still not a steak tho...

Comment by Aimzster

July 10th 2008 05:59

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There is no subsitute for red meat so there is no way I am giving up being a carnivore. Uh-huh. If we all decided to go veg, we will eventually run out of fruits/vegetables to eat & will resort to eating tree bark; cows, chickens & pigs will run amok and take over the world because we, now being herbivores, would lack the iron & protein, would be so weak that we'd find ourselves rounded and trussed up for meat for these said cows, chickens & pigs.

Sorry, Louie. I only had a salad for lunch today - no meat. Brain is getting fuzzy....need...meat...

Comment by RubySoho

July 10th 2008 06:32

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I am not going to preach to you all about becoming vegetarian but really you are so off the mark when you say things like we will run out of fruit and vegies and what will happen to all the animals?

Firstly, animals are bred specifically for human consumption and kept in captivity until it is their time to be eaten.

Secondly, an enormous amount of land is used to grow vegetation to feed that livestock that will eventually be our food. So, yeah, that land can then be used for growing crops for human consumption.

Going vegetarian is probably the single best thing you can do for the planet.

Not that I'm telling you to do so...just saying that it is.

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 07:03

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Aimzster,

Yes a salad on its own is no good to no-one

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 07:11

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hiya ruby,

Yes I do believe going Veg looks like the best way, this post is a launch pad for me to actually do some checking into the unintended consequences of this.

I guess the whole Biofuel thing has freaked me out. My questions stem from nagging thoughts at the back of my mind like the problem of over fishing etc .... it was also meant to be a little light hearted hence the questions as opposed to any statements.

if you find any facts and figures on all this I would love to know.

i have on my list tomorrow a cyber visit to the UN website to gather more info.

been a long hard day

cheers

Louie

Comment by RubySoho

July 10th 2008 07:39

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Actually, I couldn't tell if you guys were making fun of the vegies or the carnivores. haha. gotta get my satire radar checked. me of all people too...should be ashamed....but having said that I do like to take the odd opportunity to get on my soap box about this and you provided the perfect lead in.

And i do have one friend who insists that if we all stopped eating meat there will be too many animals roaming around...she always points to the excess cows in India.

I read about all that stuff I mentioned years ago but I will chase it up.

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 07:47

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cool Ruby, as I said I'd love to see more info, time for another post perhaps,

gotta go nurse my evil flu

Comment by Mountain Fog

July 10th 2008 09:50

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Hi Louie,
weeeeeelll,

all animals fart.. including us!!!

Except the Queen, who does not!

So, solution..

WE ALL BECOME QUEENS INCLUDING THE COWS AND KOALAS AND STUFF!!! teee heeee!!!

Regrettably, the ONLY WAY I see it is possible for us to maintain a healthy diet, (which includes some protein) and also save the planet, is depopulation, massively and quickly!!

More regrettably, think tanks in America since the 60's, including the Pentagon, think this is the best way to save the world, as over population, which is what we have today, is going to prove a global killer no matter what we do, vegan or no vegan!!

Besides, it is all a moot point, if the Mayans are right!!

See you at the

"Kiss Yah Ass Goodbye Orble Party on December 20th 2012!!!

cheeeeeeersssss!!!

fog

Comment by ChrisC

July 10th 2008 14:03

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Ahhh, television advertising. Is there anything it can't teach us?
Your blog reminded me of that ad with Sam Neill that taught us all if it wasn't for our red meat consumption then we'd still be all swimming in the seas, or swinging in the trees or something. Certainly not intelligent enough to be able to debate its merits, that's for sure.

Comment by Cheryl J

July 10th 2008 14:31

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Sorry, I see cow and I see a walking fillet steak and garlic mash. Ooh and Ice cream. Moo.

If we were meant to be solely vego or carnivore we would have had different teeth. We are omnivores and I'm OK with that. If a shark or lion gets me and makes me an entree then that's OK too. It's the circle of life...

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July 10th 2008 23:24

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We're already running out of fish, it seems...

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 23:27

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Fog you crack me up....... we cant ALL be Queens, there would be universal biiatching going on EVERYWHERE

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 23:30

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Chris C ... yes advertising, I am proud to say I certainly didn't fall for the Sam Neill commercial

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 23:32

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Cheryl, i see you point on the teeth, as for being eaten by a Lion, I am really not sure I'd be so cool with that, or a shark for that matter, but I guess as long as it was quick you really wouldn't know too much about it.

Comment by Louie

July 10th 2008 23:35

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Yes Cib, I hear we are running out of Fish, when i don't have Flu and aren't buried under a tonne of work i am going to research it all.

Comment by Mountain Fog

July 11th 2008 02:48

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we cant ALL be Queens, there would be universal biiatching going on EVERYWHERE

hehehe... yes we can Louie gurrlish... all we need is a really BIG WAND..ahem...well maybe I NEED a really BIG wand.. sigh!!

And anyhoo, everyone's baaiiitchin' already, so I say the more the merrier!

And at least gay bitching is witty!! (ok, so some hetero exceptions to every rule exist!)

As for the cows, why not attach a gas collector, or converter to the cows' backsides? An expandable bag, so every time they are milked, it is pumped into a tank?

Ok, so we don't milk bulls... well.. not as often and for a different purpose, so maybe the bulls and steers can have a gas converter?

THERE!! SOLVED!!!

GIMME ANOTHER PROBLEM!!!

cheers

fog

P.S.
Louie, we could start a new movement:
COFFS
Cows Odorous Flatulence Filtering Society

Then the cows could form their own group;
FARC
Flatulence Abstinent Recovering Cows

Comment by Louie

July 11th 2008 05:16

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fog you are a crack up, wave the wand and convert all orblers to queens...imagine how some of them would react, waking up in someone elses shoes....

I think you are onto something with the capture device, bring on Queen COFFS,,,?I know a few people who could do to join FARC....

happy Friday

Comment by D. Armenta

July 15th 2008 00:57

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Turtle farms are rampant in the Cayman Islands, because turtle is their main meat source and it was becoming extremely limited in the sea.

Fish farms abound here in the U.S., mostly to provide meat for restaurants and supermarkets.

Know what a big advantage of fish farms is? You have a lot more control over what goes into the water--unlike our beloved oceans and lakes, which some asswipes seem to regard as their own personal toilets and/or dumping grounds.

There are also lobster and shrimp and prawn farms, ostrich farms, and oyster farms.

Take heart, Louie--farming our fish supply instead of catching it out of the ocean means everybody wins--we get enough fish, the oceans/lakes/rivers get a chance to recover, and the farmed fish is from a cleaner and more controlled environment.

Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 01:09

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Hey Louie,

here is a good place to start:

Really Long Link

Comment by Louie

July 15th 2008 02:42

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thanks for the Info D, that makes me feel a lot better, except for the concept of Genetic modification of course.

Comment by Louie

July 15th 2008 02:43

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Thanks ruby, Ill check out the link.

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